Comments on: Your Legislature At Work http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/ Montana is a Small Town with Long Streets Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:34:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jeanne http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37857 Jeanne Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:58:11 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37857 While I share Craig's concerns, there is a mechanism to expunge the DNA records if the charges are dropped or the conviction is reversed. Not so with fingerprinting and photos. While I share Craig’s concerns, there is a mechanism to expunge the DNA records if the charges are dropped or the conviction is reversed.

Not so with fingerprinting and photos.

]]> By: Jim - PRS http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37551 Jim - PRS Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:02:35 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37551 The police don't keep a sample of one's DNA, but rather it is sent to a lab where a specific region is sequenced for forensic (identity) purposes. It is result of that sequencing that is retained and compared against others when necessary to look for a match. Different regions of the DNA (i.e. a region containing a sequence, a genetic marker, shown to be predictive or diagnostic of a disease state) would have to be amplified and detected to be used as a medical diagnostic tool. The police don’t keep a sample of one’s DNA, but rather it is sent to a lab where a specific region is sequenced for forensic (identity) purposes. It is result of that sequencing that is retained and compared against others when necessary to look for a match. Different regions of the DNA (i.e. a region containing a sequence, a genetic marker, shown to be predictive or diagnostic of a disease state) would have to be amplified and detected to be used as a medical diagnostic tool.

]]> By: Shane C. Mason http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37549 Shane C. Mason Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:19:55 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37549 Dang it. I mean HB263. That means you did the famous add one and then invert the last two numbers. Dang it. I mean HB263. That means you did the famous add one and then invert the last two numbers.

]]> By: Shane C. Mason http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37548 Shane C. Mason Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:15:14 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37548 Small point, it's HB264, you did the invert-the-last-two-numbers-thing that I am famous for ;) Small point, it’s HB264, you did the invert-the-last-two-numbers-thing that I am famous for ;)

]]> By: Shane C. Mason http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37547 Shane C. Mason Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:11:45 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37547 Yep, this one is really bad. Thanks for pointing it out. Yep, this one is really bad. Thanks for pointing it out.

]]> By: darkman http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37538 darkman Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:17:10 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37538 They now have the ability to get a DNA sample from a smudged unuseable finger print. What is to stop your medical insurer from getting a DNA sample before insuring you? At least they are not taking a DNA sample for misdemeanor arrests. They still take your photo and finger prints for those arrests. I fear the loss of my privacy too, but I also know that most crimes are committed by the same people. If you catch them in one felony the odds are that there are several others that they haven't been charged with because of lack of evidence. They now have the ability to get a DNA sample from a smudged unuseable finger print.

What is to stop your medical insurer from getting a DNA sample before insuring you?

At least they are not taking a DNA sample for misdemeanor arrests. They still take your photo and finger prints for those arrests.

I fear the loss of my privacy too, but I also know that most crimes are committed by the same people. If you catch them in one felony the odds are that there are several others that they haven’t been charged with because of lack of evidence.

]]> By: Steve http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37537 Steve Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:07:39 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37537 Because I am privacy conscious, I may have been too quick about complaining. The difference between DNA and fingerprints or a photograph is what you hold open to the public. Everyone who sees you can recognize your mug. Touch anything and you leave fingerprints, although you could wear gloves. But DNA is not something that is normally exposed to the public. This is a lot like the use of thermal imaging to look at your house. Supposedly, it doesn't reveal intimate details, but you can make out people walking around, sitting on the toilet, or making love. Do you really think that is something that the public needs to have access to? I would rather fart in the privacy of my own home without public supervision thank you. Because I am privacy conscious, I may have been too quick about complaining. The difference between DNA and fingerprints or a photograph is what you hold open to the public. Everyone who sees you can recognize your mug. Touch anything and you leave fingerprints, although you could wear gloves. But DNA is not something that is normally exposed to the public.
This is a lot like the use of thermal imaging to look at your house. Supposedly, it doesn’t reveal intimate details, but you can make out people walking around, sitting on the toilet, or making love. Do you really think that is something that the public needs to have access to?
I would rather fart in the privacy of my own home without public supervision thank you.

]]> By: Steve http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37536 Steve Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:02:29 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37536 The differnce is, that your fingerprints can't be accessed by your medical insurer in order to find out that you have an increased risk of some cancer or the probability of heart disease in order to deny you coverage. Or for that matter, some future employer who doesn't want to see his health expenses going up based on probabilities that you aren't even aware of. DNA is more than an identifier, it is YOUR identifier. The differnce is, that your fingerprints can’t be accessed by your medical insurer in order to find out that you have an increased risk of some cancer or the probability of heart disease in order to deny you coverage. Or for that matter, some future employer who doesn’t want to see his health expenses going up based on probabilities that you aren’t even aware of.
DNA is more than an identifier, it is YOUR identifier.

]]> By: Craig http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37532 Craig Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:05:36 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37532 Still and all, I'm not entirely sure this is a direction I'm comfortable with. I'm probably just being paranoid, but then again, are you really paranoid if they are out to get you? Hmmm.... Still and all, I’m not entirely sure this is a direction I’m comfortable with.

I’m probably just being paranoid, but then again, are you really paranoid if they are out to get you?

Hmmm….

]]> By: Jim - PRS http://www.mtpolitics.net/wp/2007/01/12/your-legislature-at-work-3/comment-page-1/#comment-37529 Jim - PRS Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:08 +0000 http://www.mtpolitics.net/archives/2770#comment-37529 Darkman beat me to it. A DNA specimen (usually a cheek swab) is really no different and being fingerprinted when charged with a crime. Darkman beat me to it. A DNA specimen (usually a cheek swab) is really no different and being fingerprinted when charged with a crime.

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